The basic rules

A place to discuss basic walling techniques

The basic rules

Postby waller 69 » Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:00 pm

1509 views and nothing discussed????

A sound base or foundation
face stones that are placed "two over one and one over two" and stretch well into the wall
A tight heart or infill to restrict movement within the wall
Toppers that hold the top stones in place

Did I miss anything???
Last edited by waller 69 on Sun Nov 17, 2013 9:27 am, edited 3 times in total.
waller 69 aka Kev Blackwell
waller 69
Active Subscriber
Active Subscriber
 
Posts: 694
Joined: Thu Sep 16, 2010 5:24 pm
Location: cirencester glos

Re: The basic rules

Postby Tracey B » Thu Nov 14, 2013 5:48 pm

Batter?
User avatar
Tracey B
Active Subscriber
Active Subscriber
 
Posts: 451
Joined: Sat Jun 30, 2007 5:19 pm
Location: Yorkshire

Re: The basic rules

Postby Nigel » Thu Nov 14, 2013 6:27 pm

Depends where you are I suppose.

For the basics, I think Kev has it nailed, Batter can be different, the wall I am on at the moment is Vertical all the way along and all the walls in that village are like it.

I Just hope the trainees I have with me are reading this.
ʎɐqǝ uo pɹɐoqʎǝʞ ɐ ʎnq ı ǝɯıʇ ʇsɐן ǝɥʇ sı sıɥʇ
User avatar
Nigel
Administrator
Administrator
 
Posts: 632
Joined: Tue Jan 05, 2010 5:56 pm
Location: South Cotswolds

Re: The basic rules

Postby Tracey B » Thu Nov 14, 2013 10:08 pm

To be fair I reckon that dry walls with batter are the norm rather than the exception.
Leastwise in Yorkshire, Mallorca, Scotland, France and Canada they constitute the massive majority.
User avatar
Tracey B
Active Subscriber
Active Subscriber
 
Posts: 451
Joined: Sat Jun 30, 2007 5:19 pm
Location: Yorkshire

Re: The basic rules

Postby waller 69 » Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:51 pm

I think there is a line between rules and "preferred" walling practices...
Would I prefer to see batter in a wall? yes
Do I know of many old walls( much older than 100 years) without batter? yes I do...
see what I mean?
I could do with some help with the rule on overlapping stones, I don't think I have worded it very well, with some of the stone shapes used in walling It sounds wrong to me....
waller 69 aka Kev Blackwell
waller 69
Active Subscriber
Active Subscriber
 
Posts: 694
Joined: Thu Sep 16, 2010 5:24 pm
Location: cirencester glos

Re: The basic rules

Postby Tracey B » Fri Nov 15, 2013 4:16 pm

Hi Kev, if you are referring to a good way to explain crossing the joints I think the generally accepted description is:
"Two over one and one over two"... think about it. It really does work!
User avatar
Tracey B
Active Subscriber
Active Subscriber
 
Posts: 451
Joined: Sat Jun 30, 2007 5:19 pm
Location: Yorkshire

Re: The basic rules

Postby waller 69 » Fri Nov 15, 2013 4:34 pm

Many, many thanks Tracey, yes it does work and is a better way to describe it, thanks also to Luke for his recent pic's that gave me a quick point of reference(never could get my head around some of the stone used in walls so a quick look at a pic really helps)...
waller 69 aka Kev Blackwell
waller 69
Active Subscriber
Active Subscriber
 
Posts: 694
Joined: Thu Sep 16, 2010 5:24 pm
Location: cirencester glos

Re: The basic rules

Postby waller 69 » Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:07 pm

My next question then Is, can or should "preferred walling practice" have a place here???
Thanks Nige for your earlier point, it made my life much easier, I too hope your trainee's are looking in but think it would be better if they joined in :wink:
waller 69 aka Kev Blackwell
waller 69
Active Subscriber
Active Subscriber
 
Posts: 694
Joined: Thu Sep 16, 2010 5:24 pm
Location: cirencester glos

Re: The basic rules

Postby bricksetter » Sun Nov 17, 2013 10:47 am

interesting reading, i don't mind getting the burn steer!. :D :D
bricksetter
Active Subscriber
Active Subscriber
 
Posts: 67
Joined: Sat Aug 28, 2010 8:51 pm

Re: The basic rules

Postby waller 69 » Sun Nov 17, 2013 11:24 am

Even the basic rules are not perfect, a sound base or foundation goes out the window when tree roots are involved, for instance....
waller 69 aka Kev Blackwell
waller 69
Active Subscriber
Active Subscriber
 
Posts: 694
Joined: Thu Sep 16, 2010 5:24 pm
Location: cirencester glos

Re: The basic rules

Postby bricksetter » Sun Nov 17, 2013 6:08 pm

oh dont remind me on tree roots, , in goes the shovel, only for it to bounce straight back out the ground, had to get in with the axe, ( sorry tree ) would never of got any where with out it digging down!.
bricksetter
Active Subscriber
Active Subscriber
 
Posts: 67
Joined: Sat Aug 28, 2010 8:51 pm

Re: The basic rules

Postby david perry » Sun Nov 17, 2013 8:22 pm

Re tree roots. I normally try to bridge them and give them enough space to grow a bit or chop them through if I don't think they are critical to the whole structural integrity of the tree.
I just like stone!!

Click the globe in the bottom right corner to see my blogg
User avatar
david perry
Active Subscriber
Active Subscriber
 
Posts: 403
Joined: Tue Jul 31, 2007 9:22 pm
Location: Whitby, North Yorkshire

Re: The basic rules

Postby waller 69 » Mon Nov 18, 2013 4:56 pm

Sorry, I have managed to get us off topic already....
I have two questions regarding the basic rules;
1) Is this the first time they have been written down and openly discussed?
2) would I be unfair in saying the majority of early failures of dsw's (not fair wear and tear) can be attributed to not applying the basic rules??
PS can we put my example, and Bricksetter's and Dave's subsequent post's in foundations?? Its never long before a waller comes across roots and my statement on the rule about sound base's may require explanation...
waller 69 aka Kev Blackwell
waller 69
Active Subscriber
Active Subscriber
 
Posts: 694
Joined: Thu Sep 16, 2010 5:24 pm
Location: cirencester glos

Re: The basic rules

Postby bricksetter » Mon Nov 18, 2013 7:52 pm

Sounds good to me! :D
bricksetter
Active Subscriber
Active Subscriber
 
Posts: 67
Joined: Sat Aug 28, 2010 8:51 pm

Re: The basic rules

Postby waller 69 » Wed Nov 20, 2013 6:16 pm

Thankyou John, at some point I have to put this out as a coherent way to build a dsw, at this time I would Like to break it down into it's component parts and sometime soon bolt it back together again :shock: :shock:
This is starting to feel right because some of the old gang are getting back together :D :D
We really do need some newcomers though...
I don't know really how to put it into words but I would never look down on someone with less experience than me, its like asking why a newborn cannot drive my truck....So anyone looking in, join in, I learn as much from you as you do from me...
As far as a "bum Steer" go's, I don't believe you would of fell for one when you came here but some do and its not always the young or new ones :wink:
All the Best John
Kev
waller 69 aka Kev Blackwell
waller 69
Active Subscriber
Active Subscriber
 
Posts: 694
Joined: Thu Sep 16, 2010 5:24 pm
Location: cirencester glos

Next

Return to Walling Basics

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest

cron